College and Then What?: Lawrence Mishel and the Higher Education Debate

Higher education is a major issue in current public debate. Should it be accessible for everyone? Why or why not? If not, for whom? How much responsibility should federal and state governments bear for providing higher education? These questions are complicated, difficult, and likely to remain in open debate for a long time. Consider, for example, a series of op-ed essays called “Should College Be for Everyone?” that the New York Times recently published. This piece, written by Lawrence Mishel of the non-partisan Economic Policy Institute, is part of the series, and was published in March 2012.

Read it here: Mishel, “College Is Not Always the Answer”

  1. Mishel outlines three key requirements for ensuring that non-college jobs are worthwhile, respectable, and desirable. Do you agree that the three components Mishel identifies are all necessary? Are they sufficient? What would you add or subtract from his list? Explain your reasoning.
  2. You’re in college now. Why did you choose to pursue a college degree? How much of your motivation was economic in nature? What other factors entered into your decision? If you were to learn that your college degree wouldn’t change your lifetime earning potential, would getting a degree still be your goal?
  3. You may find a great deal of overlap between Mishel’s argument here and Charles Murray’s argument in chapter 14 of your textbook. In what ways do their approaches differ? Which of the two arguments is more persuasive to you? Why?
  4. Mishel concludes with a call to challenge the “snobbery” he sees in attitudes that college graduates are somehow superior to non-graduates. Have you observed this snobbery in your life? Would your own attitudes meet Mishel’s description of snobbery? How would you respond to Mishel’s assessment? Write an essay in which you examine the attitudes around you—yours and those of people influential in your life—towards non-college graduates. Are they considered less intelligent? Less skilled?

 

237 thoughts on “College and Then What?: Lawrence Mishel and the Higher Education Debate

  1. Tim Smith's avatar Tim Smith

    Mr. Mishel,
    I have decided to re-enroll in college after years of avoidance because a piece of paper means more to companies than just experience and technical knowledge. I fully agree that a degree is not for everyone and by no means will it ever be fully available to everyone due to the cost of obtaining a degree. I fully agree that the world needs more “able bodies workers” than those who have a college degree. I also have determined in recent weeks that I fully support students who do not graduate straight from HS and enroll the first semester in college. The benefit of making life decisions come thru life experiences and do not come from a text book or what society continues to tell an individual. As a 36 year old male from a middle class family who currently lives in a middle class career and home, I have reached my pinnacle of success without a college degree. The next step up the ladder in my professional career is with a degree. I come from a family where, without a college degree you are somewhat of an outcast even though years later the financial rewards are almost the same. I did not have to pay back thousands of dollars in my mid twenties to achieve that goal. I now have the financial security and personal drive to complete a higher education. Why?, because I am able to see what the further growth in my career will be and I desire that. Between the ages of 18-21 no one is able to see what is ahead or the financial burden that it might take.

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  2. Natalie Louderback's avatar Natalie Louderback

    Yes I think college should be accessible to everyone. Everyone that wants to further their education that is. College isn’t for everyone. In today’s society there are people that have never attended college and have become successful people, and for that they are lucky but some of us aren’t so lucky and have to work for what we want. Some of us don’t have the funds for a college education and that’s where the government steps in. I think that no matter your financial standpoint the government should aid you then when you have your degree you repay your debt.

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  3. Ashlynn's avatar Ashlynn

    I decided to go to college because I wanted a better life. I saw the way my mom struggled to take care of us, and because of that I decided to go to college. I wanted a better education that could help me get far in life. All I have to do is stat focused and never give up.

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  4. Higher education should be for everyone. I wouldn’t know why it shouldn’t. Everybody is equal to the humankind. I think the Federal Government should help people with their education, but I don’t think they should take full responsibility for peoples decisions on graduating college or not. These people are grown and can make decisions for themselves, but federal government should be there to guide them in our decisions we make.

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  5. Cheyenne Brandt's avatar Cheyenne Brandt

    The best way I would describe life and school is like when you are learning to swim. When you are an infant you use a float with a sun blocker on it, consider this Elementary through Jr. High. Then when you enter High School you know a little bit more so you only use the floats that go on your arm. In College you can swim freely without anything to help you, but when you enter the real world that is when you can swim in rough waters, against the current without fear. Some people may be brave and jump from ahead a step but others may need them all, whether or not you continue on to college is up to you, if you think you can brave rough waters go for it, give it a try and the best of luck to you.

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  6. Keshia Spain's avatar Keshia Spain

    I am a currently in college and I enrolled when I was senior in high school. I dropped out my second year to work full time to provide for my family. If the degree I was achieving wasn’t going to help in the real world I defiantly wouldn’t be wasting my time going to school. I rather spend the money on my kids or something else then giving it to a school that I would have no outcome from. Knowing that I have a great chance of having a great career and great financial stability for my family is well worth the time and effort put in.

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  7. Marco Gonzalez's avatar Marco Gonzalez

    In response to Mishel’s article, I must partially agree with the fact that our society should be well balanced with careers that require higher education and those that do not. Skilled labor is becoming a thing of the past due to advances in technology and the demand for people with higher educations under their belt even for those jobs that would be well performed by someone with basic high school education and a good work ethic. I personally did not want to give in to the higher education system but it seems that you just cannot run away from it today. If you want to be able to demand a certain pay for your work then you better have wasted money and time in college in order to perform a job that would be well suited by some training instead of an elaborate and expensive higher education that almost seems to only be worth having for the snobbing aspect when trying to fit in. That is why Mishel is right in a way about having equally respected jobs that do not necessarily require college but rather some vocational training.

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  8. Brenda's avatar Brenda

    I agree that college is definitely not everyone people learn differently some are better hands on while others learn better with instruction. However, college should be an option that should be given to everyone, I feel that whether the job you desire requires additional education or not you should still attend a postsecondary school because it would be in your benefit. You expand your intellectual knowledge so much more that just that job title you’re pursuing.

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  9. Simona Molina's avatar Simona Molina

    I am attending college at the moment and I attend to keep on going until I get my degree. Even though it may cost a lot it is important I get my college degree.Now a days that’s the main important thing you need to find a good job, that will pay you well. I hate that it’s like that now but we can’t do nothing about it. It sucks that know if you want a good job you have to have your college degree when back then it didn’t really matter. It is hard though, for those who can’t afford it so they end up just giving up on college. I feel like college shouldn’t make you pay for your classes only for your books and supplies you need. It shouldn’t have to be so much, that’s why so many don’t go to college because they can’t afford it. Not many people think of going to college after they attend High School and most can’t even pay for it. It’s not their fault they can’t and the schools shouldn’t make them do that.

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  10. Austin's avatar Austin

    You’re in college now. Why did you choose to pursue a college degree? How much of your motivation was economic in nature? What other factors entered into your decision? If you were to learn that your college degree wouldn’t change your lifetime earning potential, would getting a degree still be your goal?
    I chose to pursure a college degree in order to make myself more competitive in the job field I am aspiring to work in. My motivation is not economic, because the field I wish to work in does not pay well, I am doing it purely because the job is my dream job, so yes getting my degree would still be my goal. Many people know that getting a degree will not heed a better income, such as people with art majors. But at the same time, having a degree in anything will make you look more appealing to some employers because you put in time and effort, and effort is what many employers like to see.

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  11. Erica's avatar Erica

    Not everyone should go to college. I know many people who work in my current field who only chose this field because of economic reasons. If they had decided to follow their dreams and work a job that they truly loved instead of following their wallets, they may not have even needed a college education and may have been generally happier in life. For my future job I do need a college degree and while part of my motivation is financial I also feel that I will do well in my chosen field, I’m only saddened that it took me this long to figure that out. That is the beauty of our education system though, while it may cost me an arm and a leg to reach my goal, I know that the federal government will be there to assist me if I need it. While I do not think that everyone should go to college or that they need to, I do think that everyone should have the option available. It’s unfortunate that in this country people who would do well in careers that require college degrees never get the opportunity to reach those goals because they are held back by a lack of funds or a lack of knowledge.

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  12. Eric Mendoza's avatar Eric Mendoza

    I do think that College should be accessible for everyone But i do not think it is for everyone. I chose to return to college because of hte internal benefits. I was ina sales job at a bank and I enjoyed my job sometimes but most of the time i did not. I made decent money and probably could have contunied to make more but I was not happy in the position.

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  13. Lesa Sanchez's avatar Lesa Sanchez

    I believe my decision to go back to college after 20+ years in the workforce of learned skills was for personal growth reasons. I have always been book smart when I have applied my interest, however, I started a family at a young age and “put the cart before the horse”. Seeing the present need for a higher education level that high school, I did not feel I could preach or sell the “get a college degree” to my own children if I in fact cannot put forth the effort and long hours of endless essay writing, quizzes and tests. Now I can speak from actual experience and also take away any excuses from my own children as to why they might not want to get an education. I want my children to excel and prosper in life. Not saying you cannot do this without a college education, but times are getting tougher and more competitive everyday. College only sharpens the mind more. Time is going to pass regardless of whether you attend or not, so why not spend the time wisely and educate yourself when you are young. This is only my personal opinion and things I have experienced in my life, but I hope that helps someone else down the road when asking themselves if they should or should not go to college. If you do not have a big income, you can apply for financial aid which basically pays you to educate yourself. So it is a no brainer for me. But, I say if you are going to do it, then do your best!

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  14. Shawn Hamner's avatar Shawn Hamner

    I choose to pursue a college degree so that when I grow older and have a family I am able to support them and give them the basic necessities to living a healthy and happy life. I am pursuing it so they can live a life without worrying if there will be food on the table the next day or whether they’ll have a warm place to sleep. I pursue a college degree so I can make a better life for me and those that I care for.

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  15. Erick Gonzalez's avatar Erick Gonzalez

    I chose to pursue a college degree because I was tricked into it by my family. Though I do admit that somewhere along the line, eventually I began to like the prospect of studying again. I’m now going for degree in music which according to Lawrence Mishel’s essay, is one of the lowest paying degrees so, yay! While I agree that college may not be advised for everyone depending on their income, I do not agree that people should potentially skip out on it. The intelligence you gain from merely reading a book, let alone five a week for classes, is in itself the reward.

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  16. Shelby Armendariz's avatar Shelby Armendariz

    I couldn’t agree more. I’m in college because I know I need a degree in order to provide for my family. Honestly, I think college education is helpful, but I can’t help but wonder if maybe I could learn what I need to know just by on the job training. College is not for everyone. Not everyone’s brain is wired the same and I think if that WERE the case, graduation rates would be higher. Different people learn in different way. I think that college may be a waste of money for some and actually set some back further in what they want to accomplish.

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  17. JSB's avatar JSB

    I strongly believe in higher learning. In my opinion, college is not for everyone. However, it has had a positive impact in my life. I don’t think there should be a stigma if an individual does not attend college. There are very intelligent and successful people that have not received a formal college education.

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  18. harman's avatar harman

    I believe that higher education should be accessible for everyone, because people deserve a chance to go out and learn. There should not be any limitations on who able to get higher education, because the main is a person should be at least able to try. If they fail, that is on them. I think the federal and state governments should bear a lot of responsibility for higher education, because you know never know what person could create something extremely helpful for the world, and all because they were given a chance. It is better to invest in good things, and just hope for success.

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  19. Meziane Kechabia's avatar Meziane Kechabia

    I agree that there are too people going to college, but is that a sufficient reason to interfere with the opportunities of those who choose to opt for colleges? Why can’t they leave us to leave our dreams?
    In my case, I have always wanted to go to college and become an accountant. I believe that going to college can help people to succeed in life, and if you don’t have a college degree, you’re less likely to have a better payed job, and have an easy life. Many years ago in my country, I went to college, and I get an accountant degree. Now, I’m returning to college in order to have an American degree in the same major (Accounting) because I feel that it is my vacation in life.

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  20. simranjit's avatar simranjit

    I think going to college is a good thing. In the end of the day it is beneficiary to us. By going to school were able to build a better life for ourselves.

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  21. Vincent Luna's avatar Vincent Luna

    I decided to attend community college and receive an AA in Computer Info Systems. I been out of school for nearly 20 years and been working as a general laborer for minimum wage. I have a family now and need to make more money to help support them. My plan is to get a non physical job and bring in a higher income to my family. I didn’t really think about pursuing a higher education when I was in high school because I had a job given to me in the family business as soon as I wanted it. The business went under and I was left with few options and have to start over. Wish me luck.

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  22. Cristina Ayala's avatar Cristina Ayala

    I choose to continue my education to become a more educated person and to pursue a career because living off paycheck to paycheck and having a family is hard. Having a job is very different than having a career and in order to have that I need to continue my education, being unappreciated and not paid for what Im worth is the main reasons I choose to continue to go to school.

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  23. I agree college should be available to anyone who would like access to it. although, not everyone may not want to pursue a career requiring a higher education, the government should do some regulation to promote people to get the better education and strive for success. I decided to go to college because my parents always told be I needed to in order to get a good job and be able to support myself, a family etc. I’ve always known to a certain extent this isn’t completely accurate but for what I want to do with my life it is.

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  24. Megan's avatar Megan

    Mishel concludes with a call to challenge the “snobbery” he sees in attitudes that college graduates are somehow superior to non-graduates. Have you observed this snobbery in your life? Would your own attitudes meet Mishel’s description of snobbery? How would you respond to Mishel’s assessment? Write an essay in which you examine the attitudes around you—yours and those of people influential in your life—towards non-college graduates. Are they considered less intelligent? Less skilled?
    I somewhat agree with him but I do feel like alot of jobs that dont require college do give some good benefits.
    I choose to purse college because I wanted a more secure future and so I could make a good life for myself.If I were to learn a college degree wouldnt give me a better chance at a good life I probably wouldnt go to be honest.
    I would say I lean more towards Murrays argument because he had more details and he went more in depth.
    I have never met someone that thought they were better than everyone else because they went to college. Now I am not saying that doesnt happen in the world but I haven’t seen it myself.I dont think they should be considered not as intelligent.

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  25. I believe that Mishel’s argument is flawed. He is not thinking of how many benefits there are of going to college and is only focusing on the people who do not feel that college is for them. If there were more jobs requiring a college degree in our work force, I believe that our society would thrive because we would be more educated in the workplace and would have people that knew what they were doing. He talks about the number of people in the workplace having college degrees is increasing which has moved our economy in a very good direction.

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  26. Bradley W.'s avatar Bradley W.

    My motivation to go to college was actually more for my family. No one in my family has graduated college before I’m the first of my family to actually enroll, so now I’m stuck till I finish but really only a small amount of my motivation was financial.
    Bradley W.

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  27. SN's avatar SN

    I have also heard and felt the snobbery by those who associate intelligence with a college degree as Mishel mentions in his article. Society has shaped the majority of people to believe this to be true. I look forward to the day when jobs that don’t require a college education are recognized as equally important and demanding.

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  28. I have been taught that college would be need for what I wanted to do, and it make sense why. I want to be an engineer working on advancing how we fly. In my one year so far in college I would say that college is good for me, it teaches me how to balance my work load with everything I do in life, and the how and why I listen in class. With these tools I will be able to live my dream.
    On the topic is college, it should be accessible to everyone, so they have a chance to go to college. Also I have also see people who don’t really care about college, who go just to have fun. If everyone who went to college wanted to be there classes would be better, less like high school. This why teachers wouldn’t feel overloaded because they would have fewer students to teach.

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  29. Dallin Mickelsen's avatar Dallin Mickelsen

    I feel his ideas helped to ensure a sense of adequate security to the non-college workers. This would not only allow a decrease in fluctuation of spending for higher education, but allow those who have a more academically inclined nature to pursue their achievements as well. I feel like my ambition was a mixture of financial security and an intrinsic motivation to help others like myself. If there were no financial benefit however, I do not think I would put in such an effort. I felt that Lawrence Mishel provided more insight into developing a plan to allow individuals of all academic backgrounds to feel a sense accomplishment and security. This also presented itself as a means of decreasing such inflation in college dependence. I can completely understand the meaning of “snobbery”, as many who go to college feel a sense superiority to the everyday worker. In my time in the military, I came to an understanding that, if not for the higher educated personnel many soldiers would die from the lack of support. However in those same respects, if it weren’t for the soldiers, many combat support positions would be vulnerable to harm. I feel that civilians need to associate this into our society and realize that we all function as a means to support our economy as a whole. And at the very least, both are entitled to the ability to care for their families.

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  30. Ruben Varela's avatar Ruben Varela

    I agree partially with the author. It is true that not all jobs require a college degree. Consider jobs like realtors, welders, and tattoo artist, these jobs do not require one to go to college. A realtor can take a 2 week or longer course and have a license to sell properties as I did. I have friends who did a 3 month apprenticeship with a welding company before getting out of the marine corps and has a $28 an hour job. Essentially, what I’m trying to convey is that we must consider all the options and choose the best, most logical path for the career we decide to take. This should never take away the fact that college can be very important, but for specific careers only.

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  31. Lesaun B's avatar Lesaun B

    LesaunB
    I do agree that Michel does prove a valid point. People in college do need to graduate so that America can become great again. People lose there jobs everyday and many people need them in order to survive. In order to be financially stable, however, it is recommended that you get your bachelors degree. In the society we live in today, we are on a high demand for people with high education. I do agree that people need to get a college education, but you do have to realize that people don’t have a lot of time. People have bills to pay, children to feed, and not to mention taxes. I agree with his positive attitude and I do believe that is essential, but some people are just not cut out for college. You cannot force any one person to go to college and that’s what people have to understand

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  32. Tyler's avatar Tyler

    I think that when it comes to higher education and better paying jobs, this should be one and the same. I also think though, that if someone has the skills and knowledge that the position requires they should be aloud to work it. Regardless of education. Now yes education should be available to everyone, because if it is then we make the world smarter. Making our employees smarter and increasing future potential. If it was not then we would be holding our country back from discovering the next genius. Maybe they just need that one tid bit of information to complete the next idea to say unlimited energy. However the drive for college is brought way down since the rewards are not proving to be so great. So yes lets make it available to everyone and have the jobs be worth the time invested.

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  33. I think that college is very important for some people depending on what they want to do and where they want to go in life. College can be a very good growing experience and give people time to mature and experience life outside of their home. Yet, I also think that some people do not need college because it isn’t going to help them necessarily get where they are trying to go, and there are many alternative paths for people to grow and experience besides college. Just because someone goes to college does not always mean that they are going to be a successful person. Also, if you don’t go to college that doesn’t mean that someone is going to be an unsuccessful person either. I, personally am going to need college for my career path, but there are many ways to achieve the same outcome. One way doesn’t work for everyone because everyone is different.

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  34. Bo Daniels's avatar Bo Daniels

    College has never been a forethought in my family. No one as far as I know in our lineage has ever achieved such a prestige accomplishment. Once high school was over the pursuit of education came to an end. I had neither the money nor grades to support the pursuit of college. No one in the family ever emphasized it. There were two choices. I could go straight into the work force or join the service. In a small town such as the one I grew up in, there wasn’t much beyond farming and that certainly wasn’t my forte. The military seemed fitting and the starting pay and benefits seemed enticing. This supports Lawrence Mishel’s opinion piece that College Is Not Always the Answer. I made it a career and retired with a humble monthly pension, but not enough to endure the standard of living we were accustomed to. Nearly thirty years later at the ripe old age of 46, I decided that a degree is necessary for competitive selection in the job market especially in the area that I have retired in. Almost every job I was interested in had bold print prerequisites stating, “Bachelor’s degree required”. The wind was let out of my sails. Even with 30 years of military service and experience, it was still necessary to present a degree. With a gentle nudge from the educational counselors aboard the base, I have enthusiastically launched my pursuit of a higher education. Thanks to the Joint Service Transcripts, I have a huge head start over most people. Although I agree with Lawrence Mishel that college is not always the answer for good pay and benefits, I would argue that a college degree gives a substantial advantage over someone without a college education. I am living proof that being turned down even with decades of experience, college is necessity to stay abreast with a higher income class.

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  35. Markecia P's avatar Markecia P

    I agree with Mishel. College is not for everyone, depending on what a person wants out of life, they can go about other ways to be successful in life. Construction workers, maids, janitors, working in the scullery, or cutting grass, a person with no college education can do these things and become very successful or own their own business in doing so. It has been proven that one can become successful by not going to college, with dedication, hard work, and the will to succeed. One example of this situation is Richard Branson, he is the founder of Virgin Atlantic Airways, Virgin Records, Virgin Mobile, and he never completed highschool. It’s possible, you just have to have the determination.
    cite: (https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/249683)

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  36. Raishawn P's avatar Raishawn P

    I recently wrote a paper on my beliefs about people attending college. What I’m about to write now is going to make my paper sound contradictory. In my paper I stated, “everybody should go to college in their lifetime.” What I should’ve stated was, “everybody should attend some type of school or training pertaining to their projected career field.” The reason I say this is because, in college there is some classes that don’t pertain to you or your intended career path. I’m personally going to continue to pursue my college education, because I enjoy learning and becoming a smarter person daily.

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  37. Dakotah's avatar Dakotah

    From his article it seems he makes a statement about how we need to increase the amount of people in the workforce with 4 year degrees. But also how that need isn’t the only one and how there will be an increase in the need for people without college degrees. There is also the believe of raising the amount of pay and benefits to keep people wanting to get into some of these jobs that don’t require degrees and keep the interest up.

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  38. Jeff Bryant's avatar Jeff Bryant

    I agree with the author, but it makes me laugh when I read so much of the banter associated with topics like this. Most of the comments try (poorly) to bring “other” types of career training into the same realm as a “college degree”. I think if you frame the argument this way: you should definitely turn your nose to non-college educated produced food. Why would you ingest something in your body grown by someone who isn’t educated? The two tons of metal that help you commute to work every day should only be entrusted to a college educated worker – how would you ever know that anyone else can make it stop? College education is a valuable tool, and our society pays well for it. On the other hand, there are so many things that we need that don’t require a degree, we should be able to discuss it without the condescending tone.

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  39. Marian I Perez Avila's avatar Marian I Perez Avila

    College should be something that is accessible to everyone because everyone has a skill or trade that is valuable to society. By going to college, whether it is 4 yr,2 yr, or vocational college, it will provide the individuals with skills and knowledge that will allow them to succeed in their trade.

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  40. Priscilla Saravia's avatar Priscilla Saravia

    The reason why I am attending college is not only to further my education, but to earn a lifetime career. I want to say I am the first person to graduate from my family from college. College helps find your identity, learn about yourself that you did not know before, get to know others and are able to interact with people. College helps student make themselves independent. Being able to choose the time you would like to attend classes, demonstrate prioritizing, and responsibility. They say high school was suppose to prepare students in the upcoming future, I think opposite; college helps prepare for the real life.

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  41. Thays Dos Santos's avatar Thays Dos Santos

    I do agree with her three components, however providing more informations might actually be a bad things. I think that if there is too much information then people are less likely to read it and retain the informations. I think that there should be more selective informations being shared with students that allows them to get the overall summery about the topic. I choose to pursue college both because my parents wanted me to but also because I enjoy it. A big part of my motivation was for economic stability when I graduate from college. Even if getting a college degree wouldn’t change my lifetime earning I would still get a degree because I believe that knowledge is power.

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  42. Jennifer Beltran's avatar Jennifer Beltran

    I believe that college should not be mandatory but it should be free to people who want to better their education. I feel like America should use their tax money towards a brighter future and education is the best way for that. There could be very bright students who just cant afford college and are settling for factory jobs to make ends meet. With free education, we could potentially grow as a country since everyone is educated and exercising their minds in a positive way. I joined college to have a better life for my future children. I want to know that i worked hard for my future job and i love to learn. This shouldnt be limited to people who come from poverty, everyone should have a chance to better their lives.

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  43. Valeria Rodriguez's avatar Valeria Rodriguez

    College was never really an option to me, I felt that since I had my son at the young age of 15 I would never be able to accomplish anything. My mentality changed after a while, once he turned 4 which was last year in August, I figured that it would be the perfect time to start my journey in college. I’ve learned that there is really nothing better than furthering my education, and gaining new knowledge. It’s addicting, once you start gaining new knowledge there is really nothing better. I’ve always had family members doubt me, and tell me I’d never make it because I had my son at a very young age. I’m not in college to prove anyone wrong, I’m in college because I want to be the best mother that I could possibly be for my children regardless of my age.

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  44. Kirsten Avalos's avatar Kirsten Avalos

    I feel that college is for everyone. Education further advances a healthy society to prosper in many different fields. Such as technology, science, and more education for the generations growing. Every person should get a chance to learn. If other people have knowledge to give and pass on, then why hoard it and make the less fortunate unable, do to unavoidable circumstances. It may be harder to determine who wants to actually succeed over someone looking for something to do. People of all cultures, background, and ethnicities always want a chance to succeed or the chance to skate by. But who is anyone to actually decide who they are?

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  45. Abigayle Bond's avatar Abigayle Bond

    I agree with Mishel’s requirements for jobs that do not need a college degree. I believe that everyone should have adequate health care, unions if the job has them and any other benefits that careers that require a degree have. The only thing that I would add to the list would be an increase in wages. Many of the workers who do not have a degree are the backbone of our country, they should have a better pay rate. I chose to go to college to benefit my young family, yes the economic part of having a college degree is nice, but if I knew that it would not change my income I would still do it. There is a generous amount of overlap in both Murray’s and Mishel’s writing, but I have to say that Murray’s was more persuasive mainly because he gave evidence of his statements and he gives examples in his writing. I have never come across a college graduate as a “snob”, I find them to be more reserved when it comes to talking about their degree because many people who do not have one can be a little sensitive.

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  46. Na'Dieya's avatar Na'Dieya

    I am a College student with a great paying job that does not require a degree. However a Degree is something I really want to obtain to do the job that I see my self doing. I do realize that college is expensive and can lead to debt but I do plan to make the best choices about my education. Going to my local Community Collage instead of a 4 year University cut my cost in half. Paying out of pocket instead of taking out big loans helped me tremendously. I think its all about where your going and what you want to be doing. Sometimes a degree is just what it takes. The final push for me is my son. He deserves what a job with out a degree cant give me in my honest opinion.

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  47. Aaron Anderson's avatar Aaron Anderson

    I feel that a higher education is something that should be available to everyone, regardless of their financial status. I have been looked down upon and even looker over for a promotion because I didn’t have a college degree, even though I had been doing the job for 6 years. A college degree would have been life changing for my family and I at that point in time but since I wasn’t able to continue my education until the age of 43. A college education is not only important for financial reasons but also for self esteem reasons as well.

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  48. Melissa Elver's avatar Melissa Elver

    In my opinion, going to college for some is not always the answer because there are some that just can not afford it no matter how hard they try even with financial aid. Then there are those who do not require four years of education to go into their intended career,so why waste the time or the money. What should be offered is more trade schools and financial aid should be an option for them as well.

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  49. Theresa Medina's avatar Theresa Medina

    I can see where Mishel is coming from. If we all have four year degrees than who would be behind the cash registers, making our food, taking our orders, or running the rides at the theme parks. We need to increase the minimum wage and have benefits for all workers. Prices for items increase every year, but the income doesn’t. We shouldn’t make fun of people who do jobs that don’t require two or four year degrees. We should all stand together and realize we need the people without degrees and the people with degrees to keep the world going.

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  50. PS.'s avatar PS.

    I think the difference between college and high school comes from out experience in the real world. You see people who have worked out there in their respected Fields have more experience than that who is studying it. That being said, someone who goes to college really dosent know how to their lob until they actually go out and do it. so one must really consider whether its is worth it going to college for that field.

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